韓國人發(fā)明了漢字－－-韓國人與外國網(wǎng)友的辯論(轉載)

作者：myhmya 提交日期：2006-10-14 21:11:00

　　從國外網(wǎng)站上看的,先貼原貼再簡(jiǎn)單翻譯一下:

　　　　　　 posted: fri nov 22, 2002 12:37 am post subject: kＯrean invented chinese language

　　　　　　chinese histＯrian like to twist the histＯry around, everybody know about it.

　　　　　　u just need to look at the baduk/weiqi intellectual game, kＯrean always easily beat down chinese .if this is really your invention, why chinese done so poＯrly?

　　　　　?。羘d look also at the spＯrt, the wＯrld cup, chinese also done very badly if compare to kＯrean.

　　　　　　in modern technology, kＯrean made products like samsung, lg, hyundai,kia

　　　　　　are popular everywhere, where is chinese?

　　　　　　a population of 1.3 billion can't beat down a small nation with only 40 million , Ｏr 80 million if u want include nＯrth kＯre, but still we done much better than chinese in almost every area.

　　　　　　the truh is out there, is just depend on you guys weather want to accept it Ｏr not.

　　　　　　many chinese histＯrian in china also agree that dongyi was kＯrean Ａnd the creatＯr fＯr da'wek kou culture. it was also recoded in shi ji from shima ji.

　　　　　　翻譯: 中國的歷史學(xué)家喜歡歪曲歷史,這是誰(shuí)都知道的事情.

　　　　　　你只要看一看＂圍棋＂這個(gè)智力項目,韓國人總是打敗中國人.如果它是中國人發(fā)明的,那中國人怎么表現總是那么糟糕?世界杯也是同樣的例子.

　　　　　　 在現代的技術(shù)中,韓國人創(chuàng )造的三星.lg,現代,起亞風(fēng)靡世界,中國人在哪呢?

　　　　　　 13億打敗不了一個(gè)4千萬(wàn)的民族,(如果加上北韓的話(huà)是8千萬(wàn)),我們幾乎在所有的領(lǐng)域做的都比中國人好.

　　　　　　 真理就在這兒,不管你們是否接受它.

　　　　　　 許多中國歷史學(xué)家也同意東夷是韓國人,并且創(chuàng )造了＂大汶口＂文化......

　　　　　　 posted: sat nov 23, 2002 4:44 am post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language

　　　　　　another good post that non chinese will able to deny it.

　　　　　　during prehistＯry from neolithic to iron age, there were two cultures

　　　　　　in nＯrth-east asaia. in nＯrtheastern part (s siberia, central asia,

　　　　　　manchuria, Ａnd also current kＯrean peninsula), nomadic people

　　　　　　dominated, whereas culture based on agriculture dominated southern

　　　　　　china. nomadic people mostly spoke in altaic Ｏr other similar

　　　　　　languages, while agriculture-based people mostly spoke in

　　　　　　chinese-tibetan Ｏr proto-austronesian. chinese archaeologists have

　　　　　　mostly focused on the latter. together with languages, features of

　　　　　　bronze weaspons Ｏr tomb styles were clearly distinctive between the

　　　　　　two. ultimately, climate changes to dry/cold conditions drove the

　　　　　　nomadic people to the south (kＯreans Ａnd japanese) Ａnd to the west

　　　　　　(turk, xian-no, etc).

　　　　　　it is also quite certain that the nomadic people in nＯrthern china Ａnd

　　　　　　southern siberia firstly cultivated allium altaicum, the progenitＯr of

　　　　　　allium fistulosum, Ａnd allium sativum, the progenitＯr of allium

　　　　　　longicuspis.

　　　　　　with respect to various writing systems developed during the bronze

　　　　　　age Ａnd/Ｏr during shang state, one thing is certain: writing systems

　　　　　　came from the east (altaic/nomadic people), not from the west Ｏr the

　　　　　　south. it is quite certain that people lived in the east were not han

　　　　　?。蟫 hua people. do you know who published the first chinese dictionary

　　　　　　in histＯry? it is quite interesting that people speaking in altaic,

　　　　　　not chinese-tibetan, published it. what kind of spoken language did

　　　　　　yin/shang people use? this will be a quite good question fＯr your

　　　　　　explＯration into the ultimate inventＯr of current chinese characters.

　　　　　　翻譯: 在新石器時(shí)代到鐵器時(shí)代的史前文明中,在東北亞有兩種文明.在東北亞地區(西伯力亞/中亞/滿(mǎn)州以及現在的朝鮮半島),游牧民族居于統治地位,而農耕文明在中國南部居于統治地位.游牧民族大部分都說(shuō)阿爾泰以及相似的語(yǔ)系,而農耕文明大部分說(shuō)漢藏語(yǔ)系.中國考古學(xué)家大部分都集中研究后者.而兩種語(yǔ)言,青銅器的樣子和墓制的樣式完全不一樣,而又干又冷的天氣環(huán)境讓游牧民族進(jìn)入了南部.

　　　　　　 非?？隙ǖ氖虑槭?北中國和南西泊力亞培育了__(此處不知怎么翻譯),____的祖先/

　　　　　　 在青銅器時(shí)代或者商代發(fā)展了不同的書(shū)寫(xiě)系統,有一件事可以非常確定---書(shū)寫(xiě)系統來(lái)自東部(阿爾泰/游牧民族),而不是西部和南部.還可以確定的是,東部的人不是漢族.你知道歷史上誰(shuí)出版了第一本漢字字典嗎?非常有趣的事是這是說(shuō)阿爾泰語(yǔ)的人做的而不是說(shuō)漢藏語(yǔ)系的人做的.殷商時(shí)代的人使用的何種語(yǔ)言?這對你們研究誰(shuí)是漢字的發(fā)明者是個(gè)非常好的問(wèn)題.

　　　　　　 i think all anyone can say is that ＂kＯrean made mＯre contribution to the

　　　　　　development of what is known as chinese language than currently

　　　　　　acknowledged＂. wＯrkings of business, economy, technology, trade, Ａnd

　　　　　　commerce are the same today as they were 5000 years ago. what drives

　　　　　　linguistic development in today's wＯrld? well, it's computer. you don't

　　　　　　need as much language to grow plant Ｏr raise animals. in other wＯrds, it

　　　　　　is technology which drives language, not agriculture. so, technology in

　　　　　　the old days were ceramics Ａnd casting technology, which kＯrea was Ａnd

　　　　　　still is wＯrld leader.

　　　　　　翻譯: 我認為任何人都可以這么說(shuō)---韓國人對大家所認知的漢字發(fā)展貢獻更大.商業(yè)/經(jīng)濟/技術(shù)/貿易和5千年前一樣,是什么么語(yǔ)言發(fā)展了當今世界?是計算機.你不會(huì )用語(yǔ)言去種養植物以及飼養動(dòng)物,換句話(huà)說(shuō),是從語(yǔ)言中發(fā)展而來(lái)的技術(shù),而不是農業(yè).所以,在古代,技術(shù)就是制陶業(yè)和鍛造業(yè),而這些技術(shù)韓國一直是世界的先驅.

　　　　　　shanxi wrote:

　　　　　　............................chinese invented Ａnd created their own language. posting by peter is totally crap Ａnd ridiculous, the person trying to make a confusion here actually. ]+~

　　　　　　oh my gosh..i can't believe that chinese people are soo ingnＯrant about their own histＯry!!!!!!!!! chinese people didn't create their own language...they had to use another abＯriginal's written language, Ａnd then on, they called it their own!! because of inferiＯrity issues,,,they claim that they invented their own language..also peter kim is right on the chinese language being created by some other group besides chinese!! i think chinese (students) should relook at their histＯry once again,,,it seems to me that people (me fＯr instance) that are not chinese have a better knowledge of chinese histＯry than some chinese people do...some people are ethnocentric..Ａnd it seems to me that you are...Ｏr whoever that posted this..peter you're cＯrrect on this, except the kＯrean part of course

　　　　　　翻譯: 跟貼者說(shuō)中國人發(fā)明了他們自己的語(yǔ)言,樓主在這里胡言亂語(yǔ),混淆是非.

　　　　　　又有一個(gè)韓國白癡對跟貼反對者的反駁:

　　　　　　 我的天哪,中國人居然對他們的歷史是這樣的無(wú)知,中國人根本沒(méi)有創(chuàng )造自己的語(yǔ)言,他們不得不用其他原住民的書(shū)寫(xiě)系統,然后,他們說(shuō)那是他們自己的.因為自卑的原因,他們說(shuō)他們發(fā)明了自己的語(yǔ)言.所以樓主是正確的,是其他人而不是中國人發(fā)明了自己的語(yǔ)言,這些中國人應該回頭看看自己的歷史,就像我一樣,我對中國的歷史了解的比他們自己更清楚,那些中國人是一些種族中心論者,樓主,你是對的.....

　　　　　　其他國外網(wǎng)友的反駁:

　　　　　　 posted: sun sep 29, 2002 6:38 am post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language

　　　　　　everyone knowes that japanese Ａnd kＯrean both derived from chinese, why waste your time with this crap?

　　　　　　 任何人都知道日本人和韓國人源自中國,你為什么在這浪費時(shí)間廢話(huà)!

　　　　　　flＯreo

　　　　　　guest

　　　　　　 posted: sat nov 09, 2002 7:15 am post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language

　　　　　　shoot, the first one in this thread didnt even have the necessary geographical idea about kＯrea Ａnd china. the palace location fＯr shang dynasty is in anyang which is almost in the middle of china. so how come kＯreans would travel so deep into china as to make the characters???this is way to stupid! i don't wanna talk mＯre about it!

　　　　　　 注意,這個(gè)假設沒(méi)有對于韓國和中國的地理學(xué)的觀(guān)念,商朝的皇宮在安陽(yáng),幾乎是在中國的中心,那么韓國人是怎么長(cháng)途跋涉到中國的中心去創(chuàng )造他們的漢字?這太愚蠢了,我不想再說(shuō)什么了/

　　　　　　anthony

　　　　　　guest

　　　　　　 posted: fri nov 15, 2002 3:46 pm post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language

　　　　　　everyone know the chinese has the longest continous culture in the wＯrld. chinese cultures have influences many cultures in southeast asia Ａnd east asia like japan Ａnd kＯrean.

　　　　　　 任何人都知道中國有著(zhù)世界最長(cháng)的連續不短的歷史,中國文明影響了許多東南亞和東亞的國家,比如日本和韓國.

　　　　　　 posted: mon nov 25, 2002 9:17 pm post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language

　　　　　　kＯrean invented everything.

　　　　　　這個(gè)外國朋友很無(wú)奈的說(shuō):＂韓國人發(fā)明了一切＂

　　　　　　peterkim

　　　　　　guest

　　　　　　 posted: mon dec 02, 2002 12:50 am post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language

　　　　　　confucius was chinese but lao tze not.

　　　　　　taoism has kＯrean Ｏrigin too.

　　　　　　 韓國人又跳出來(lái)說(shuō)；＂孔子是中國人但是老子不是,韓國是道教的起源＂

　　　　　　posted: fri dec 20, 2002 12:22 am post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language

　　　　　　enough, this topic is just provocating us to hate each other, Ａnd nobody (except some stone-head people) would believe that chinese character (han zi) is invented by kＯrean...

　　　　　　 夠了夠了,這個(gè)主題只會(huì )引起相互仇恨,沒(méi)有人(除了一些石頭腦子的人)會(huì )認為漢字是韓國人發(fā)明的....

　　　　　　hkb

　　　　　　guest

　　　　　　 posted: thu mar 13, 2003 2:49 am post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language

　　　　　　technically, at the time when china had all its inventions, there wasn't a clear distinction of ＂kＯrean＂ Ｏr ＂japanese＂ they weren't really nationalities yet. except fＯr maybe japan.

　　　　　　 學(xué)術(shù)上,那個(gè)時(shí)候當中國人有了那些發(fā)明的時(shí)候,還沒(méi)有一個(gè)明顯的關(guān)于韓國人和日本人的區分,他們還沒(méi)有自己的民族呢,(可能日本人已經(jīng)是了).

　　　　　　alaxieniye

　　　　　　guest

　　　　　　 posted: wed jun 18, 2003 7:09 pm post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language

　　　　　　what i see? a gang of pro-kＯrean idiots telling bull-shits!!

　　　　　　chinese invented chinese. kＯrean invented kＯrean.

　　　　　　kＯrean is an altaic language, with a lot of wＯrds from chinese! it's a sino-xenik ( but not a sino_tibetan language). kＯrean wＯrds bＯrrowed from chinese are of fujian Ｏrrigin ( hokkien, fukien:) kＯrean could not invent hanzi, because hanzi do not fit fＯr kＯrean language at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

　　　　　　 我都看到什么了?一群史前韓國白癡在胡扯!!

　　　　　　 中國人發(fā)明了漢字,韓國人發(fā)明了韓語(yǔ).

　　　　　　 韓語(yǔ)是一種阿爾泰語(yǔ),其中很多都來(lái)自漢語(yǔ).它是一種受漢語(yǔ)影響的語(yǔ)言(但不是漢藏語(yǔ)系),韓語(yǔ)是從中國福建地區借鑒而來(lái),韓國人不可能發(fā)明漢字,因為那根本不適合他們的語(yǔ)言習慣/

　　　　　　 posted: thu jul 10, 2003 5:34 pm post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language

　　　　　　the one whom wrote this has little knowledge of histＯry. it shows that how ignＯrant kＯrean are! it's such a shame! btw please study where does kＯrean comes from.

　　　　　　 樓主對歷史一無(wú)所知,那只能說(shuō)韓國人是多么愚蠢,這是個(gè)羞恥,請先研究韓國人(韓語(yǔ)}從哪里來(lái).

　　　　　　一個(gè)叫＂james campbell＂的老外對韓國白癡有理有據的反擊:

　　　　　　in conclusion...

　　　　　　i don't think the chinese get enough recognition fＯr their inventions. that includes chinese characters. chinese characters are not (cannot be defined as) kanji--it is rather that kanji are (can be defined as) chinese characters. the typical westerner is tricked into believing that kanji being japanese are a japanese invention. even i was tricked this way until i investigated. they may have changed the look of a few here, Ａnd added a few there, but they're not the invention of the japanese. this is the same fＯr kＯrean too.

　　　　　　i even heard once, but i cannot prove it Ｏr give the source, that the chinese were on the verge of inventing a car many many centuries ago while europe was still in the dark ages Ａnd suffering from plagues Ａnd death, but the technology didn't advance far enough due to political unrest. even still, such a concept as a car, no matter how long ago it was thought of, if such plans have been documented by the chinese, then this concept could surely be called a chinese invention.

　　　　　　so i don't give a care about the names dongyi, shang, dawenkou, Ｏr whatever, the kＯreans cannot be claimed responsible fＯr any of the chinese language Ｏr inventions. a kＯrean should not try Ａnd deceive people by digging so far into histＯry so that others will be easily tricked into believing they are a true race of innovation. they are the most backward, selfish, inward looking people i have ever met, Ａnd until recently have always been against any development happening in the wＯrld outside of kＯrea. they have always positioned themselves as the ＂little brother＂ of china (read: ?p?#807;；#812;； hah--look at the shape of their peninsula), Ａnd throughout histＯry they always ran to the ＂real Ａnd only＂ recognized empＯrer in china fＯr help Ａnd guidance. china has had open communication with the west through the silk road Ａnd with the wise teachings from india fＯr millennia. they have been open to the wＯrld, Ａnd have been innovative themselves providing their inventions to the wＯrld. do not some people say that contact with china actually influenced italian cuisine many centuries ago? what did kＯrea Ａnd japan contribute to europe? hangul? kimono?

　　　　　　fＯr all the pride running through the blood veins of the kＯrean, if the chinese had an ounce of it, they would be a greater nation than they are. how could they let the japanese trample them in wwii? the chinese should rise up Ａnd be proud of everything that is chinese, Ａnd do not let the kＯreans Ａnd japanese take the credit. maybe they should have taxed the japanese Ａnd kＯreans fＯr using their characters, Ｏr fＯrce them to abＡndon the script if they would not be willing to be part of their empire. but that goes to prove to you how benevolent the chinese actually are Ａnd that they were willing to allow the outer lying barbarian tribes attempt to educate themselves. besides, it was their fＯrefathers such as confucius, mencius Ａnd many others teaching Ａnd spreading humane values, all such wise fＯrefathers that the outer lying barbarians lacked.

　　　　　　nobody invented language. there was a natural need fＯr communication Ａnd it evolved naturally.

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　　　　　　james campbell

　　　　　　guest

　　　　　　 posted: tue oct 29, 2002 10:45 am post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language

　　　　　?。羘d i fＯrgot to mention, as an answer westerners do not find a use fＯr hangul Ｏr kimonos at all. but you can find at this fＯrum that so many westerners want the chinese characters, to have them tattooed on their bodies. i never heard of westerners wanting hangul Ｏr hiragana tattooed on their bodies. so still, even the chinese characters are very accepted to the westerners too.

　　　　　　i even heard that the kＯrean government was trying so hard fＯr the international community to accept their invention that they tried to convince small native tribes to use hangul to write their language, but i never heard of this actually happening.

　　　　　　 我認為中國人對他們自己的發(fā)明沒(méi)有有著(zhù)足夠的認知,這包括漢字.中國漢字不是日本漢字,倒可以說(shuō)日本漢字是中國漢字.典型的西方人錯以為日本漢字是日本人的發(fā)明.甚至我也被欺騙了直到我研究了它.漢字可能已經(jīng)在這改變了一點(diǎn)兒,在那又增加了一點(diǎn)兒,但它不是日本人發(fā)明的,更不是韓國人.

　　　　　　 我曾經(jīng)有次聽(tīng)說(shuō)(但我不能證明),中國在許多世紀前差點(diǎn)發(fā)明了汽車(chē),而那時(shí)候歐洲人正處在黑暗的年代,蒙受著(zhù)災難和瘟疫.但是中國那時(shí)候沒(méi)有足夠的技術(shù),而且政治騷亂.但是,就＂車(chē)＂這個(gè)概念,不管它是多久前想的,但是這個(gè)計劃已經(jīng)被中國記錄了,或許這個(gè)概念可以叫做中國發(fā)明.

　　　　　　 所以我并不關(guān)心什么＂東夷＂.＂大汶口＂什么的,但韓國人不能宣稱(chēng)他們發(fā)明了漢字.韓國人不應該嘗試和挖掘歷史來(lái)欺騙人們,以至于人們會(huì )相信他們才是發(fā)明源泉的謊言.韓國人是我曾見(jiàn)過(guò)的如此倒退,自私,只關(guān)心自己的人.直到現在韓國人也反對韓國之外的發(fā)展.

　　　　　　 韓國是中國的＂小兄弟＂,從地圖的也可以看出來(lái),他們的整個(gè)歷史就是尋求他們＂真正并且唯一＂的帝國---中國的幫助和引導.中國早就通過(guò)絲綢之路和西方進(jìn)行溝通,并且從印度接受了佛教,他們早就向世界開(kāi)放,并且提供了他們自己的發(fā)明,中國人在數世紀前影響了意大利人的烹飪.而日本人和韓國人對歐洲人貢獻了什么??韓國泡菜??日本和服??

　　　　　　 驕傲貫穿著(zhù)所有韓國人的血脈,如果中國人有那么一點(diǎn),就可以變成比現在更偉大的民族.是什么讓他們在二戰中飽受日本的蹂躪?中國人應該提升對他本民族的自信,不要讓韓國人和日本人拿走那些本來(lái)屬于他們的榮譽(yù).可能他們會(huì )被日本人和韓國人指責使用他們自己的漢字,或者被強迫放棄曾經(jīng)屬于他們帝國榮譽(yù)一部分的漢字.但是那更可以證明,中國人是多么的仁慈,他們愿意讓這些野蠻異族教育他們自己.

　　　　　　除此之外,他們是諸如孔子/孟子/和其他傳播人類(lèi)文明價(jià)值的祖先,而這些正是這些野蠻異族所缺乏的

　　　　　　 沒(méi)有人發(fā)明語(yǔ)言,它是自然演化和交流的必然.

　　　　　　 我忘了提醒,西方人根本不原了解韓語(yǔ)和日語(yǔ)的使用方法,但你會(huì )發(fā)現在這個(gè)論壇上有如此多的西方人喜歡漢字,甚至把漢字刺青在他們身體上.我從來(lái)沒(méi)遇見(jiàn)過(guò)西方人把韓語(yǔ)或者日語(yǔ)刻在他們身體上.因此,漢字更被西方人所接受.

　　　　　　 我曾經(jīng)聽(tīng)說(shuō)韓國政府非常賣(mài)力的讓國際社會(huì )信服他們發(fā)明了韓語(yǔ)來(lái)記錄自己的語(yǔ)言,實(shí)際上我從來(lái)沒(méi)有聽(tīng)說(shuō)過(guò)這曾經(jīng)發(fā)生過(guò).